Captain Obvious

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  Why Eve sinned (WT 8/2013)

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.

  it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.

  why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.

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  So, Eden... When did humans get souls? Did gawd inject Adam and Eve with souls right after he made them?
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  Probably the most bizarre encounter with a witness family.

  by Dis-Member in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  went to a bar with a friend a few days ago.. we were sitting in the outside garden and i went back inside to get another round.

  on my way back out i passed some tables with a family of about 6 or 7 people sitting and celebrating a birthday.. i overheard the name jehovah mentioned and i stopped and asked if they were witnesses to which one of them replied 'yes'.. we got into conversation about the latest watchtowers and the governing body.

  none of them had a clue what i was talking about.. they new nothing of the 8 men brooklyn being the faithful and discreet slave, nothing about c.t russell or rutherford, nothing of how jesus came and selected them as his chosen people in 1914-19, in fact the only thing they knew about 1914 was that that was when the first world war started, nothing about malawi and mexico, never heard of candace conti or any of the sex abuse scandals, nothing about the 2 witness rule, nothing about the elders being chosen by the holy spirit, nothing about 'new light', nothing about the orgs involvement with the un, nothing about the blood fractions changes they knew almost nothing at all about the majority of their own organisations core teachings.

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  The sad part is that while they seem to be very liberal and half of them will probably never get baptized... They all are likely damaged by the cult in one way or another. Rebelling against the restrictive rules is one thing, but a lifetime of studies, meetings and assemblies has likely left them all with baggage that they won't be able to figure out. They will have huge amounts of guilt later on in life.
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  How I recently handled JWs at my door

  by Christian guy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the jws stopped by my house a couple weeks ago on a saturday morning.

  i knew that with others most likely waiting for them out in the car they probably did not then have much time to engage in any serious conversation.

  so i let them talk while i feigned interest in what they had to say.

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  My mind was open to the idea of a god for a very long time. In fact, when I woke up and realized that JWs don't preach truth, I intentionally put off learning about natural history so I could learn more about the bible and Christianity.

  Then inevitably my interests pointed toward real truth, not just truth in regard to the bible. A Christian has to assume the bible=truth, otherwise there is no point. I read many books, followed many threads, watched many debates. There is only one possible conclusion: the case for a deity in the sky is far too unconvincing to warrant committing myself to. And if god is real, and he is the Judeo-Christian God, then he does not deserve worship based on his book.

  We humans are our only hope. This life is all we have. I was hoping your "evidence" would be able to start a new thread where we get to debate at length. All we usually get are some arrogant creationists who have nothing to say, and just promote some book or post some pseudoscientist clown on YouTube. You seem well versed in the scriptures and convinced enough to give it a good try. So far, facts and evidence always win.

  In any case, welcome to the forum! We welcome all types here. Please feel free to share some more of those golden tricks for reasoning with JWs.
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  How I recently handled JWs at my door

  by Christian guy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the jws stopped by my house a couple weeks ago on a saturday morning.

  i knew that with others most likely waiting for them out in the car they probably did not then have much time to engage in any serious conversation.

  so i let them talk while i feigned interest in what they had to say.

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  Excellent line of reasoning with JWs.

  We atheists are not swine or dogs. We are people who only accept evidence. We use reason and logic, and therefore can't accept fairy tale explanations for where we come from.

  In another thread, please share your "evidence" that Jesus is real, and created anything at all.
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  The bible condemns Christian religions that teach, Wait!

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  know where in the bible will you find christian religions being condemned for teaching the trinity or hell fire doctrines, but you will find jesus condemning those that come as messiah's or christs (both mean anointed) and declaring 'the time is near'.

  you will also find paul cursing anyone that preaches a gospel different then the apostles preached as well as cursing those that change or add to the bible.

  oh darn jw's thats you, you fit the bill in all of these!!!!!!

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  SFPW, are you sure you're interested in those answers? Because Crazyguy is about to give them to you.
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  no birthday celebration after all

  by losingit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  new boyfriend is upset bc an old boyfriend when i was a teenager is on my fb friend list and wished me a happy birthday.

  was supposed to go to turkish embassy for cultural celebration.

  my first birthday in years, and total freaking meltdown.

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  Some people don't like when all the attention is supposed to be on someone else. They'll always do something to get attention instead. Go out with your girls, or on your own. Maybe pick someone up who doesn't feel they own you?
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  Jehovah only uses honest mean in directing his flock... except that one guy

  by confusedandalone in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday in yet another attempt to get me back to jehovah's organization of faithful men, we began to argue.

  when i asked her how she could possibly trust the men leading this organization who have lied over and over again about everything we believe.

  she literally scream ed at me and said, "the men jehvoah uses in this organization to take the lead are standup men who always have the best intentions for the flock.".

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  This will get you nowhere with your wife. You need to back off! It's good that she is willing to talk to you, but be "respectful" when you talk about the org and the brothers. The last thing you want when you are trying to reach her is put her on the defensive. Chill. Out.
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  Awake! January 2014 - Which 'basic' kind are humans?

  by bats in the belfry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  god did not make life in a simple form and allow it to evolve into more complex forms.

  instead, he created basic kinds of complex plants and animals, which then reproduced according to their kinds.

  ( genesis 1:11, 21, 24 ) this process, which continues today, has resulted in the earth being filled with the same kinds of life that god originally created.. the bible does not specify how much variation can occur within a kind, as might result when animals within a kind interbreed and adapt to their environment.

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  What the hell is a "kind?" What about when different members of a "kind" are so different that they can no longer interbreed? Yes, that's right... Speciation.

  Humans are Great Apes... Next question.
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  The reason behind why the ex-JW community can never match Jehovah's Witnesses' success.

  by Stand for Pure Worship in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  an average of five kingdom halls being constructed daily, almost 8 million brothers and sisters, dissemination of bible literature in 595 languages, 111,795 congregations worldwide, distribution of 179 million bibles available in 116 languages, 239 countries where jehovah's witnesses have a presence, etc.. need i go on?.

  on the other hand........... crisis of conscience, freeminds, the awaa, jw.net, ummmmmm........hmmm........idk six screens or something?

  not exactly working out for you guys.

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  Does the number of increase in the JWs indicate jehovahs blessing and direction? Does it prove that the WT is god's chosen organization?

  If so, then the JWs are very... VERY far down the list among Christian religions. Besides, ex-JWs are not cult members... JWs are. Cults attract and retain members through mind control. People come to this site confused, angry and sad. We help each other through our hard times caused by the cult, the. Most move on with their lives. The only time an ex-JW talks to another person about JWs is when they're warning them to stay away! This religion is poison. All religion is poison. The sooner the world reizes that, the sooner we can move on as a race.

  But.. Please, continue
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  Was Richard Carrier a Jehovah's Witness?

  by DeWandelaar in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was watching this lecture of him (very nice actually) and he was referring a lot of the bible.

  now he used a bible version with jehovah's name in it and used it quite a lot.

  i was therefore wandering: was he a witness at some point (around 6.20)?.

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  Funny, I just read his book, "Why I Am Not a Christian" today